The future of Human-AI coexistence, according to Kevin Kelly (co-founder of Wired, futurist, author)

Kevin Kelly is a co-founder of Wired Magazine and a renowned author and futurist. Decades ago, Kevin predicted much of today's technological and cultural landscape. In this discussion, he presents his new bold vision for what’s coming next: The Handoff to Bots.
In this episode, you’ll hear:
Why declining populations will radically reshape economies
What a bot-to-bot economy could look and feel like
Why people of the future might be paid to read emails
How AI could help humanity find deeper purpose
Why this future might be closer than you think
Kevin’s links:
Website/blog: https://kk.org/
Twitter/X: https://x.com/kevin2kelly
Instagram: / kevin2kelly
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Substack: https://www.exponentialview.co/
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Timestamps:
(00:00) Intro
(02:17) The baby black hole behind Kevin's theory
(10:49) Kevin's thesis: The handoff to bots
(15:05) This world is closer than we think
(19:32) The role of humans in this new world
(21:23) Could monopoly influence pose a problem?
(28:33) The nature of “struggle” in this new world
(32:42) Could we see countries competing for population?
(36:06) How a scarcity of humans might change what we value
(42:30) What would 1994 Kevin think of 2025 Kevin's blog?
Production:
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