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432: ‘You and Frank Sinatra’, With Dan Moren

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Dan Moren returns to the show. Topics include Atlas, ChatGPT's new web browser (or anti-web browser) for the Mac; Apple's loss in a "landmark" regulatory lawsuit in the UK regarding App Store commission rates; multiple reports of poor sales for the iPhone Air; and Apple's M5 product announcements: MacBook Pro, iPads Pro, and Vision Pro.
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Transcripts: Unofficial but surprisingly good.
Links:
Sleep++, David Smith’s iOS sleep app that ties into Apple Health data, and gives what I think is a much more accurate and interesting “sleep score” than does Apple Health itself in iOS 26.
ChatGPT Atlas: new Chromium browser for Mac:
OpenAI’s announcement.
Their promotion to get 7 days of higher ChatGPT usage if you make, and keep, Atlas as your default browser.
Anil Dash: “ChatGPT’s Atlas: The Browser That’s Anti-Web”.
Simon Willison’s initial thoughts.
Michael Tsai’s roundup of links.
Reuters: “Apple Loses Landmark UK Lawsuit Over App Store Commissions”.
Multiple reports suggest the iPhone Air is not selling well.
But it seems like Apple isn’t doing any advertising for the iPhone Air (or regular iPhone 17) at all — (yet?).
Dan’s Six Colors coverage of the M5 speed bump updates from Apple:
Base model 14-inch MacBook Pro.
11- and 13-inch iPads Pro.
Vision Pro.
Dan’s review of the new Dual Knit Band for Vision Pro (which is now the only band included by default with the M5 models).
My piece on the M5 announcements.
Dan’s previous appearance on The Talk Show, from October last year, talking about — déjà vu — new Mac hardware.
“&udm=14” — AI-overview-free Google search, from Ernie Smith. Also: My DF post about it back in May.
Dan’s personal website, with links to his science fiction novels and short stories.
This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.

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